North Jersey Search Team?

[Th3Archit3ch]

well what a surprise, bad weather.. again..
last saturday snow was supposed to be 1"-3" we got.... 8" here in Sparta
of course I live in the twilight zone..
you can be driving from anywhere and it would be raining and then drive through my and all of a sudden
snowstorm..
It's because of the high elevation, so one theory I've been working on is the apple doesn't fall far from the tree..
I don't know if anybody reads these things, maybe it's just my notes to self blog.
so 'mountain gorillas' are at high elevations.. the sightings around here... Sparta/Hopatcong were at high
elevations.. About around 1000ft above sea level, now I know mountain gorillas are alot higher, but the weather patterns are much different.
It's quite bewildering to me, on how they would manage to survive the temps, unless they somehow hibernate like a bear avoiding hypothermia. Just something to look into.
Also being as this has become a notes to self blog..
I saw a show on maybe it was yellowstone or yosemite about how moose have adapted to survive,
by being able to eat evergreen pine needles..
while I was up at these 2 different locations I did see pine/evergreen in both areas also I did see a hmm
shrub? more like a small tree that seems to stay green in the winter, I really got to find out what this tree is there was alot of them and alot of pine up on Sparta mountain.
If there's any place in the US that a BF would thrive it's definately up on this mountain.
But I'm not finding much.

[cirrus]

Found this a few weeks ago very near my home in NW NJ. Kids?? Perhaps but not really any in the area of the age that would do that. Hunter? Maybe but probably just a little too close to  homes especially with the several thousand acres available further back. Makes one wonder! 

[NJBigfoot]

Not what I would call a shelter by any stretch. Looks to me like some humans were messing around. How large was it. Based on the pic it doens't look very large, and probably not something a 7-8 foot, 400+ lb creature would be able to crawl into without knocking it over.

[Th3Archit3ch]

wow cirrus where was this?
It's a pretty interesting photo.

[Th3Archit3ch]

up on Sparta mountain just a little ways in from the start of the path I would say maybe 1000ft in..
there is a bunch of birch trees all broken about 7 feet up..
from what I saw nothing fell on them to make them break the way they did, and the are broke all in different directions all outward.
So BF's are social creatures..?
I would imagine they would have to be to have successful populations.
as to how close they come to humans..
well how close was the stick structure to houses/humans..

[megapod]

I have seen quite a few stick structures in the forests all of which I  attribute to the work of human hands. Broken trees and such are not evidence of bigfoot in my opinion. They are evidence that something caused the tree to break. The structure in the photo is likely the work of humans is there any evidence near the structure that suggests otherwise? Footprints etc. I think this was discussed before on this forum. To my knowledge there are no eye witness reports that these animals (if they indeed exist) practice this sort of behavior. I know all these "bigfoot hunters" claim that tree breaks are suggestive of bigfoot's presence but I am not convinced. I think this is the type of claim that causes many people to dismiss the possibility of this creatures existence. Sorry to sound so cynical but I can't see any reason to attribute anything short of footprints or photos as hard evidence. Just my opinion.

[NJBigfoot]

up on Sparta mountain just a little ways in from the start of the path I would say maybe 1000ft in..
there is a bunch of birch trees all broken about 7 feet up..
from what I saw nothing fell on them to make them break the way they did, and the are broke all in different directions all outward.
So BF's are social creatures..?
I would imagine they would have to be to have successful populations.
as to how close they come to humans..
well how close was the stick structure to houses/humans..

Nothing has to fall on a tree for it to be snapped. High winds can snap trees. We've had enough severe weather with high winds over the past six months that could easily have caused trees to snap.

Some snapped trees, and a structure such as this does not require a Bigfoot.

Just trying to inject a little logic into the thread. I hate to see people jump to conclusions about Bigfoot with such mundane "evidence" that can be explained sufficiently by other, more likely, or natural causes.

[Th3Archit3ch]

Oh those bigfoot kids with thier bigfoto
tricking us, making it look like humans are doing things
trying to shake us off their trail.
Gosh they is smart.

So they'll stay hidden, for a few more years, at least
cause we ain't interested in checking out every lead,
going there to debunk them in person.

I'm ok with that, I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone,
but myself.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=rdytJP-tbvQ&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DrdytJP-tbvQ

-ibfrdb

[megapod]

Are you familiar with Achems Razor? The point is to make as few assumptions as possible. 

Oh those bigfoot kids with thier bigfoto
tricking us, making it look like humans are doing things
trying to shake us off their trail.
Gosh they is smart.

So they'll stay hidden, for a few more years, at least
cause we ain't interested in checking out every lead,
going there to debunk them in person.

I'm ok with that, I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone,
but myself.

http://www.youtube.com/comment_servlet?all_comments&v=rdytJP-tbvQ&fromurl=/watch%3Fv%3DrdytJP-tbvQ

-ibfrdb

[Th3Archit3ch]

huh that's weird I thought it was spelt Occam's razor I guess there's 2 accepted spellings..
well you learn something new everyday.
well I learned my new thing for the day.
very good.
Thanks.
now if I can only see the forest through the trees,
I know it's there somewhere.

[megapod]

Your sarcastic bullshit remarks make it difficult to tell when you are serious. Everybody's a tough guy on the internet though.
That's the way one of my college professors spelled it so that is the way I remember it(whether it's correctly spelled or not the idea is what's relevant)  I've also seen it spelled "ockham's". As far as your last comment I am not sure what that is supposed to imply, but some people see way more than trees when they are looking at the forest, they see things that aren't there.  Staying objective is what is required,  avoiding the desire to let your fantasy of an 8 ft. bipedal primate obscure your judgment doesn't help prove  it's existence.

[megapod]

Oh, btw the expression is "can't see the forest FOR the trees"

[Th3Archit3ch]

wow I learned another new thing on another new day..
thanks!

yeah. It's all only levity, well.. mostly.

Just wanted to see more responses on this forum.

It didn't seem like there were many people posting,

but now there is.

So let's see if I can call up McDonalds and get them to level even more forests,
then maybe I can see the forest For the trees..
They've pretty much slashed and burn half of south America by now.

I've been told I have a bald spot, so I shaved my head to try and find it,
and you know I never did...

[NJBigfoot]

Try to keep it friendly guys. Nit-picking spelling is just throwing little stones back and forth, there are better ways to correct someone's mistakes.

Megapod is right, this is exactly the situation where Occam's (also Ockham's) Razor comes into play. Clipped from Wikipedia, "the simplest explanation or strategy tends to be the best one."

To further simplify, we know that humans exist and can build a variety of structures. Humans also go into the woods. So it is safe to conclude that humans are probably responsible for the stick structure pictured in this thread. Since we have no other evidence to suggest otherwise, that's the best assumption.

Snapped trees do not necessarily lend support to a Bigfoot being in the area either, because Occam's Razor would lead us to conclude that wind is the likely cause of trees snapping at that height.

I go into the woods to hike and camp, but I do not enter the woods specifically to search for Bigfoot, because Occam's Razor neatly trims away a lot of assumptions, leading to the conclusion that they probably don't exist. At least in New Jersey.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love for these creatures to exist as much as the next Bigfoot enthusiast, but I also keep in mind how incredibly unlikely it is. There are a ton of self proclaimed "researchers" out "in the field" doing their thing We've got the likes of Jeff Meldrum on the case as well. If they come across any really compelling evidence, I'm sure we'll hear of it.

I could open up a whole new discussion as to why I think so many guys are drawn to trudging around in the woods, exploring and "investigating." But I don't want to get into all of that here. Suffice to say that I think it has a lot to do with the wonder, adventure and love of a mystery that many children feel. Many of us grow up and retain that childhood sense of adventure, and a need to believe in something greater than we are, lurking somewhere just beyond reach, in the shadows.

[Th3Archit3ch]

cheese.
I'm back from my self imposed suspension
huh
dec 18th last comment posted have I been away that long?
that's actually my bday.

well anyway, my point was/is, still is, to be outgoing about things, to check out,
every lead, and not just pass it off, as oh that's fake, we'll never get anywhere
with that attitude.

so how's everybody been?

am I the only one that's posts on this forum?

well goin out tomorrow (wed 3.10.10)to check a different part of Nj
anyone want to go?